Charles Constantine Count of Vienne and Bellay 901–963

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Charles Constantine Count of Vienne and Bellay, 901–963 (aged 62 years)

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Charles Constantine Count of Vienne and Bellay

Name: Charles Constantine Count of /Vienne and Bellay/
Surname: Vienne and Bellay
Given names: Charles Constantine Count of

Sex Male

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Family with parents
father	Links Birth: 878 38 23 Death: 934 Unique identifier: AEF6A22579F1E94C91CFD5627C96715175D2 Links Ancestors Compact tree Descendants Family book Fan chart Hourglass chart Interactive tree Pedigree Pedigree map Relationships Family with spouse Anna of Byzantium Charles Constantine Count of Vienne and Bellay Louis the Blind King of Italy 878–934 Birth: 878 38 23 Death: 934
mother	Links Birth: between 886 and 888 22 Death: about 914 Unique identifier: AEF6A22579F1E94C91CFD5627C96715175D2 Links Ancestors Compact tree Descendants Family book Fan chart Hourglass chart Interactive tree Pedigree Pedigree map Relationships Family with spouse Louis the Blind King of Italy Charles Constantine Count of Vienne and Bellay Anna of Byzantium 886–914 Birth: between 886 and 888 22 Death: about 914
himself	Links Birth: about 901 23 15 Death: 963 Unique identifier: 5FEEB2133E6E334BBC3100A54521C14D428E Links Ancestors Compact tree Descendants Family book Fan chart Hourglass chart Interactive tree Pedigree Pedigree map Relationships Family with spouse Teutberga of Troyes Constance of Vienne Adelaide Vienne Richard of Provence Charles Constantine Count of Vienne and Bellay 901–963 Birth: about 901 23 15 Death: 963

Family with Teutberga of Troyes
himself	Links Birth: about 901 23 15 Death: 963 Unique identifier: 5FEEB2133E6E334BBC3100A54521C14D428E Links Ancestors Compact tree Descendants Family book Fan chart Hourglass chart Interactive tree Pedigree Pedigree map Relationships Family with spouse Teutberga of Troyes Constance of Vienne Adelaide Vienne Richard of Provence Charles Constantine Count of Vienne and Bellay 901–963 Birth: about 901 23 15 Death: 963
partner	Links Death: after 860 Unique identifier: 5FEEB2133E6E334BBC3100A54521C14D428E Links Ancestors Compact tree Descendants Family book Fan chart Hourglass chart Interactive tree Pedigree Pedigree map Relationships Family with spouse Charles Constantine Count of Vienne and Bellay Constance of Vienne Adelaide Vienne Richard of Provence Teutberga of Troyes …–860 Death: after 860
daughter	Links Death: between 961 and 965 Unique identifier: C849CA13C5FEA5478FD9B601FE2AC9A24F3B Links Ancestors Compact tree Descendants Family book Fan chart Hourglass chart Interactive tree Pedigree Pedigree map Relationships Family with spouse BosoII Count of Provence William Count of Provence Rotbold Count of Venaissin Constance of Vienne …–965 Death: between 961 and 965
daughter	Links Links Ancestors Compact tree Descendants Family book Fan chart Hourglass chart Interactive tree Pedigree Pedigree map Relationships Adelaide Vienne …–…
son	Links Links Ancestors Compact tree Descendants Family book Fan chart Hourglass chart Interactive tree Pedigree Pedigree map Relationships Richard of Provence …–…

Events of close relatives
Birth	about 901 23 15
Death of a maternal grandfather	LeoVI Emporer Byzantine 11 May 912
Death of a mother	Anna of Byzantium about 914
Death of a father	Louis the Blind King of Italy 934
Death of a daughter	Constance of Vienne between 961 and 965
Death	963 (aged 62 years)
Unique identifier	8510A429DDD16349AF125AB7A5B1A6038DAE
Last change	23 January 2007 – 19:13:58

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Note	Notes Count of Vienne & Bellay. The identity of his parents continues to be thesubject of much debate. The leading proponent of Louis the Blind and Annaof Byzantium is Christian Settapani, who admits that absolute proof islacking, but that the preponderance of evidence is strong. Todd Farmerie comments: Charles Constantine is the documented son of Louis the Blind. He hastraditionally been called illegitimate, but this was almost solely due tohis failure to inherit his father's titles, ignoring the fact that hisfather was not in a position to pass anything to his son, having lost allto his enemies (and friends). It is his name that caused a reevaluationof this maternity. While the name Charles harkens back to his (by thistime distant) ancestor, Charlemagne, but Constantine is a novelty. Whileone could (and people have) derive the use of this name to the late-Carolingian classicism which caused Hugh Count of Maine to use the name David, the alternative solution is really the simplest - that thisname, while having a link to antiquity, relates more immediately toEmperor Constantine, son of Leo IV, and uncle of the child(ren) of Louisand Anna - that Charles Constantine was their legitimate son. In a note on p. 281 of his book, "The Lost Kingdom of Burgundy", Christopher Cope, mentions that Charles is thought by some to be the sonof Hugh of Arles (RIN 3470*), but that other sources say he was the sonof LOUIS THE BLIND and that Hugh ousted him and demoted him to count ofVienne. "The Dictionary of Royal Lineage" (p. 200) has him as the son ofLOUIS THE BLIND, King of Italy and Provence as I've shown here. Weis' "Ancestral Roots . . ." 141A:17, has his parents as LOUIS THE BLINDand ANNA, dau. of the Eastern Roman Emporer, LEO VI. Stewart Baldwin posted to soc.genealogy.medieval on 1 Nov 1996 (in part): Subject: Re: SAVOY "Charles Constantine had two sons named Richard and Hugobert. Hugobertdied after May 976, but nothing is known of his family. Settipanimentions the that Richard and Hugobert have been suggested as ancestorsof the counts of Savoy, but rejects it as unlikely."

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Count of Vienne & Bellay. The identity of his parents continues to be thesubject of much debate. The leading proponent of Louis the Blind and Annaof Byzantium is Christian Settapani, who admits that absolute proof islacking, but that the preponderance of evidence is strong.
Todd Farmerie comments:
Charles Constantine is the documented son of Louis the Blind. He hastraditionally been called illegitimate, but this was almost solely due tohis failure to inherit his father's titles, ignoring the fact that hisfather was not in a position to pass anything to his son, having lost allto his enemies (and friends). It is his name that caused a reevaluationof this maternity. While the name Charles harkens back to his (by thistime distant) ancestor, Charlemagne, but Constantine is a novelty. Whileone could (and people have) derive the use of this name to the late-Carolingian classicism which caused Hugh Count of Maine to use the
name David, the alternative solution is really the simplest - that thisname, while having a link to antiquity, relates more immediately toEmperor Constantine, son of Leo IV, and uncle of the child(ren) of Louisand Anna - that Charles Constantine was their legitimate son.

In a note on p. 281 of his book, "The Lost Kingdom of Burgundy",
Christopher Cope, mentions that Charles is thought by some to be the sonof Hugh of Arles (RIN 3470*), but that other sources say he was the sonof LOUIS THE BLIND and that Hugh ousted him and demoted him to count ofVienne. "The Dictionary of Royal Lineage" (p. 200) has him as the son ofLOUIS THE BLIND, King of Italy and Provence as I've shown here.

Weis' "Ancestral Roots . . ." 141A:17, has his parents as LOUIS THE BLINDand ANNA, dau. of the Eastern Roman Emporer, LEO VI.

Stewart Baldwin posted to
soc.genealogy.medieval on 1 Nov 1996 (in part):
Subject: Re: SAVOY
"Charles Constantine had two sons named Richard and Hugobert. Hugobertdied after May 976, but nothing is known of his family. Settipanimentions the that Richard and Hugobert have been suggested as ancestorsof the counts of Savoy, but rejects it as unlikely."