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Elen ferch Llywelyn, 12061253 (aged 47 years)

Name
Elen /ferch Llywelyn/
Surname
Llywelyn
Surname prefix
ferch
Given names
Elen
Married name
Elen /de Scotia/
Family with parents
father
mother
Marriage Marriage1203
6 years
younger brother
sister
herself
Family with John de Scotia
husband
herself
Marriage Marriage1222
Birth
1206 15
Birth of a brother
Death of a maternal grandfather
Address: Newark Castle, Newark, Nottinghamshire, England.
Burial of a maternal grandfather
Address: Worcester Cathedral, Worcester, Worcestershire, England.
Marriage
1222 (aged 16 years)
Death of a mother
Death of a husband
Death of a brother
Death of a sister
Death of a father
Death
1253 (aged 47 years)
Unique identifier
0B09144C762DE546A5E9DEAB41AE5F16BDFE
Last change
23 January 201222:16:54
Author of last change: Danny
Note

Elen married John de Scotia, Earl of Chester, in about 1222. He died aged thirty in 1237, and she re-married, her second husband being Sir Robert de Quincy. Their daughter, Hawise, was married to Baldwin Wake, Lord Wake of Lidel. Hawise and Baldwin’s granddaughter, Margaret Wake , was the mother of Joan of Kent, later Princess of Wales.

There is also a record of a "Helen" daughter of "Llywelyn of Wales" who married Mormaer Maol Choluim II, Earl of Fife and later married Domhnall I, Earl of Mar. The dates appear to rule out this being Elen, since Maol Chaluim II did not die until 1266 while Elen's death is recorded in 1253. Some genealogists propose the existence of another Elen, an illegitimate daughter born towards the end of Llywelyn's life, but there is no clear evidence for this. Another possibility is that this Helen might have been an illegitimate daughter of Llywelyn the Last born when he was a young man, but there is also no evidence of the theory being true.